Thursday, June 19, 2008

Follow Up to “Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound”

As many readers know, I recently wrote a column titled “Logical Proof of the Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound,” which explored the logical and philosophical case for the Divine. As I painstakingly pointed out in the column, all of the arguments hold true whether one believes in evolution or creationism.

In fact, for that very reason I chose not to get involved in the debate on evolution, as I felt it to be a distraction from the main point, that a universe so complexly designed, and a world that would not sustain life if any one of a trillion necessary ingredients for life were missing, does not come into being in and of itself.

Although I had recently concluded a debate with atheists on evolution, a roughly written but highly detailed transcript of which can be found at http://creationistsearcher.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/yomin-postelnik-debates-with-atheists/, I felt that delving into the scientific reasons against evolution would detract from the main theme of the column, that no matter how you believe the universe was designed, it had to have been done so intelligently. (As a side note, the above referenced debate touches on a number of pertinent issues and should be of value to the reader).

Nonetheless, many chose to attack the column from a scientific standpoint, not by bringing specific examples, but because of the lack thereof. While they entirely missed the meaning of the column, I would still like to address their issues.

To begin with, not only is evolution far from proven science. In fact there are gaping holes in its theory.

One central problem with the theory of evolution is that it dictates that life formed from non-life. This is not plausible. Furthermore, for there to be a rich enough variance in DNA/RNA this would have had to happen millions of times, separately. DNA and RNA are also both needed to reproduce a single cell.

A much larger problem with evolution is the lack of transitional fossils, fossils that show a gradual change from one form of species to the next. This isn’t an arbitrary problem. It is inconceivable that if man transitioned from ape, over time, that on the one hand we’d find a plethora of human fossils as well as a plethora of ape ones, but none in between that document such a slow and gradual change.

No one believes that such a transformation could have been sudden. If it had happened we’d have as many transitional fossils as there are human and as there are ape fossils. It also isn’t logical to suppose that reptiles formed into mammals when we have a plethora of both reptilian and mammalian fossils, but none that show a clear transition between one form and the next.

Darwin was aware of this and thought that future fossils would be discovered. But in the past 150 years, thousands of fossils were excavated and no conclusively transitional ones were found. He recognized that it isn’t logical that we’d have a plethora of human and of ape fossils but no transitional ones. The late Harvard Professor Steven J. Gould also had to admit that, quote, “the extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology.”

Given the amount of fossils excavated and the utter lack conclusively transitional ones (and the scarceness of any that scientists can even claim to be possibly transition), it’s entirely possible that Darwin himself would reject the theory of evolution today.

Proponents of evolution incorrectly cite the Archaeopteryx, a fossil that had feathers and scales, as a transitional form. In fact, it has fully developed feathers and fully developed scales. This doesn’t prove transition at all as nothing points to any transformation from scale to feather, like a half-scale for example.

The same is true of the oft-miscited duck-billed platypus. It has features that are reptilian and some mammalian, but none that show a transition from one to the other. Its reptilian, mammalian and other characteristics are each fully formed and do not show any transition of one to the other. In fact, all of its characteristics are perfectly suited to its unique climate. Furthermore, there’s no difference between modern day platypuses and those found in fossils.

The same is true of the hominids, the supposed ape to human transitional forms. Of the 12 hominids cited by evolutionists, 9 have been documented to be extinct species of ape/monkey with no human characteristics at all. The other 3 are modern day humans with no animal characteristics. A true half human half ape fossil has never been found.

But none of this was the point of the original column. Its central point was that no matter how the universe was formed, no one can plausibly argue that it happened by itself. How one can argue that both RNA and DNA came into existence, by chance, at the exact same time (because if not, no cell would reproduce, and it’s unfeasible that they developed separately and then joined together, as they are not found outside of the cellular form) is also unattainable. And we can go on and on about the trillions of coincidences needed for the evolutionist to deny a conscious Creator.

I would encourage those who disagree to give these columns fair consideration. The fact that some chose to misread the last column to the extent that they did seems ingenuous, just as those who chose to mistake the meaning of “spontaneous” as it was featured (the point there being that even the theory of evolution necessitates far too many and too complex random coincidences, trillions of them, for it to plausibly have occurred without a conscious designer) did so by reading the column in a way that differed from its obvious and intended meaning. Some even mistook “elements of life” to refer to the Periodic Table of Elements, which was an absurd interpretation and showed a lack of ability to openly think over the points of the column. Please treat the matter with fair consideration. I believe that you will gain from the experience.

5 comments:

Yomin Postelnik said...

Lui,

You're not "pointing out" tenets of evolutionary theory, you're changing them. Darwin was extremely clear on what transitional fossils are. But we don't need Darwin for that. On the most basic level, if you want to document transition, you need fossils that document clear gradual change.

You've failed to deal with that. In fact, you're avoiding it with typical absurd definitions of transition that are illogical and would have shocked Darwin. Amphibious type species do not show transition. That's simple logic that you keep running away from time and time again.

Most evolutionists wrongly deny that evolution demands that life evolved from non-life. Congratulations on at least not being one of those. Still the transition from non-life to life is a scientific impossibility that needs to have happened millions of times according to evolutionary theory.

Comparing the viruses that attach to cellular life to RNA or DNA structures, even in their first forms, is completely unattainable. It's also extremely disingenuous.

Trillions of coincidences is being generous. Enumerate all aspects of evolutionary theory's explanation of the development of man and add to that all ingredients necessary to sustain life.

Yomin Postelnik said...

See also

Here are facts you will not read in the newspapers and magazines. Scientists know that the Big Bang did not, and could not, occur. In professional books and journals they tell why the theory is unworkable. Evolutionary theory is a myth. Nothing else can explain the mountain of evidence. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

In the list below, full caps at the beginning of a hyperlink show it begins a new page.

SCIENTISTS SPEAK about the Origin of Matter - 1

Introduction - A foolish concept
The Atomic Gaps - A special reason why the Big Bang could not produce the heavier elements
Wrong Elements - The Big Bang could not have produced the elements in our planets
Supernova - Star explosions do not occur often enough
Population III Stars Missing - The theoretical "first stars" are not there
Calculations Are Too Close - The theory requires calculations within extremely narrow limits

SCIENTISTS SPEAK about the Origin of Matter - 2

Missing Matter - The Big Bang theory does not agree with the amount of matter in the universe
Ever Outflowing - The Big Bang does not explain the universe as we know it
Stellar Rotation Too Rapid - Many stars turn too fast to have been casually formed
Antimatter Not There - The Big Bang would have produced equal amounts of matter and antimatter
Universe Too lumpy - The theory does not allow for such lumpy things as stars and galaxies

SCIENTISTS SPEAK about the Origin of Matter - 3

Background Radiation - The facts disprove this "evidence"
Redshift - Scientific facts disprove the speed theory application also
Arp Discoveries - A careful scientist found much evidence disproving the theory

SCIENTISTS SPEAK about the Origin of Matter - 4

Quasars - Their existence ruins the speed theory
Conclusion - The Big Bang theory has been discredited

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THE ELEMENTAL FORCES of the Universe - How very amazing they are
3 MEN Who Gave Us Our Modern Stellar Theories - It is surprising to learn more about them

FOR MORE INFORMATION:

Forward to the next major topic in this series: THE ORIGIN OF THE STARS - 51 scientific facts disproving evolutionary origins of stars and galaxies

http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/Encyclopedia/01-ma5.htm

Yomin Postelnik said...

Lui,

The only one misconstruing things is you. Look at what Darwin actually said. Or if you want, forget Darwin and look at logic, which should be a new concept to you. If all you have is a supposition based on DNA and common characteristics, one of two things is true
a) they're related, through evolution
b) physical life forms share common physical characteristics

A good case for "a" would be found if there were evidence of clear transition, the gradual type that the evolution needs for its premise to be supported. The lack of these shows "b." We have a plethora of fossils that are supposedly from a very early stage, an equally large plethora of those supposedly from the latter stage, and absolutely nothing in between. Based on the amounts available of the other two categories it's safe to conclude that they're two different species, not one that gradually transitioned into another, with all steps of that transition, seemingly hundreds of generations, having disappeared (yet leaving behind the earlier fossils).

Stop making a fool of yourself by changing Darwin's account of what constitutes a traditional fossil and start doing some research.

Yomin Postelnik said...

Lui,

You've failed to address any of my questions and your last post consisted of nothing more than trolling.

I've accepted a lot of rude insults as substitute for facts from you because you did raise some points worth discussing (that were refuted) in your other posts. Your last one had nothing of substance, was crass and insulting and was therefore deleted. If you wish to be crass and insulting you can still post here, but at least address the questions, directly above. The lack of transitional fossils in their true form (read The Origin of Species) for Darwin (and logic's) definition of what would constitute a transitional fossil and the impossibility of abiogenesis.

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